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I'm nominating the KSG 12 for a split. This is because the MW3 variant and BO2 variant are different. They both have different names, and both fires different rounds, essentially making them have different functions.

♛Registered Contributor♛ _♪talk♫ 01:54, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Keep

Keep — I don't see any real reason to split. They use near identical weapon models and are classified as shotguns. Basically everything here states that the articles should be merged, and the ammo type isn't that drastic. Finally, the Shotgun article does note that shotguns fire multiple pellets, but even the KSG has a dropoff like the other shotguns, making the relation even more clear. http://i.imgur.com/4XBy83R.pngAntiScootaTwo^talk  02:15, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Keep — Per AntiScoota Kylet357 (talk) 02:17, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Keep — Per Anti Argorrath _{おしゃべり}11:51, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Keep — Per AntiScootaTwo. And if you wanna talk about the ammo type, not only it isn't that drastic, but also the KSG in BO2 still fires the usual buckshot shells in the campaign. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:47, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Keep — The naming policy mentions; If a weapon is named the same, looks the same, but functions in a drastically different way, split. This is not major at all. Recon Unit-52 (talk) 22:46, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

How exactly? I put up reasoning below already, the least you could do is give some elaboration. -- laagone ^(talk)  22:48, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Split/Merge

Split (we need a voting icon for splitting) — I'm going to quote the naming policy: "If a weapon is named the same, looks the same, but functions in a drastically different way, split.". KSG 12 and KSG look pretty much the same, but they are named differently (albeit similarly), but more importantly, the fact that KSG shoots more like a sniper rifle in the form of a shotgun is drastically different from a regular up close personal buckshot. Admittedly, Ultimate94ninja makes a good point about KSG using buckshot in campaign, but multiplayer is the main focus in these games, and a different ammunition type makes for a lot of difference between these two weapons, when the ammo change isn't even something minor such as a change in caliber size. -- laagone ^(talk)  18:06, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Split - MLG has quoted the policy correctly here. the KSG functions drastically different than the KSG 12. And while it may use buckshot in campaign, there are many weapons that function differently in SP and MP, such as guns that are normally semi-automatic becoming fully-automatic by default.

Crazy sam10 • Talk

18:41, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Split - Per MLG. --Bats a.k.a Rarity Filly  18:53, August 26, 2013 (UTC)
Split -- Slav^Talk 18:56, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Comments/Questions

I'm still standing by my point that they should be kept on the same page. It's not about one being a different variant than the other. It's the same weapon in the same class with just different ammo types; this doesn't make them drastically different (and I still insist on the fact that it fires buckshot shells in BO2's campaign; this point erases all doubt). See for example the PTRS-41: it uses explosive rounds in the first Call of Duty, while in World at War it uses normal rounds; this doesn't make them different weapons. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:33, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

"while it may use buckshot in campaign, there are many weapons that function differently in SP and MP, such as guns that are normally semi-automatic becoming fully-automatic by default". And the PTRS-41 may be true, but they are visually quite similar, and more importantly, have the exact same name. -- laagone ^(talk)  15:42, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

But the KSG/KSG 12 are also visually the same. We also have different names for the Vector/Vector K10/Vector CRB, yet it's the same weapon. By the way I didn't really get Sam's quoted comment, and what is its link with this. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:38, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Vector and Vector K10 are just basically the same weapon with different names. The thing is KSG and KSG 12 are named different and they function differently enough. And the point of it was that there are many other weapons that have campaign versions different from their multiplayer counterpart. -- laagone ^(talk)  16:42, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Closed - Articles will be split momentarily. -- laagone ^(talk)  10:05, October 17, 2013 (UTC)