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User talk:Callofduty4/Archive 2#Ban, and the rest of the archive
User talk:Rs4life07#Callofduty4, and some following parts of the page
User talk:Darkman 4#Re, and some following parts of the page
Log for blocks made by Bigm
User talk:Creepydude#Re:
Fedarated AK74-u's edit to Call of Duty Wiki:Articles for Deletion

To be somewhat succinct, in the recent fiasco, Rs4life07, better known as "Bigm", blocked Callofduty4 for 'having not learnt the lessons of his last block'.

After dealing the block, Bigm bullied and harassed Callofduty4, and admitted "I'm egging him on".

When some IRC ("Internet Relay Chat"; more or less semi-public instant messaging) discussions went on between Darkman 4, Creepydude and myself on what to do with the situation, Bigm personally attacked Creepy.

Unrelated to the fiasco, after Fedarated AK74-u made an edit to the AfD on the blocking policy, Bigm blocked him permanently—twice.

While I really hate having to say this, what he did was a nearly textbook case of power abuse. This discussion is on whether or not he will keep his powers, how much of his power he will keep or lose, whether or not he receives a block, and whether or not he receives a political death sentence (a political death sentence is when a politician broke the law, and isn't allowed to have any federal position in that area ever again).

Sgt. Chiafriend^Rifleman 03:25, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Removal of admin tools (Sysop and/or Bureaucrat powers)

Support	9
Neutral	0
Oppose	1

Block

Support	2
Neutral	5
Oppose	2

Perma-Block

Support	0
Neutral	0
Oppose	7

Political Death Sentence

Support	3
Neutral	1
Oppose	5

Support removal of all sysop powers, neutral on block, oppose permanent block, and oppose political death sentence - Per the evidence provided above. By not having a political death sentence, Bigm will always be able to pass another RfA to get his currently enabled powers back. The key item here is that what he used to do most of what he did was his set of administrative powers. Removing them would prevent any future event like this, and it's not like somoene can have bureaucrat powers without the normal administrative powers. Sgt. Chiafriend^Rifleman 03:25, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

comment - I agree to my crat powers being removed but I would like one more chance with my sysop powers. I will apologize to anyone the wiki deems deserving an apology and will even issue a wiki wide apology is wished.--Bigm2793 03:28, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Support above suggestion by Mr.BigM - Bureaucrat lets you re-grant userrights, ut that's not important. The thing we're pushing here is "if you misuse your tools then you'll lose 'em" and I think if we're poking at him now then simply removing his bureaucrat flag would be reasonable. If he made an RfA after losing sysop rights, he would probably pass or fail then retry an eventually pass which is wasting time, take his flag ane let him know that he's only got one flag left... Simple enough. Joey ^aa 05:12, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I definitely agree with Bigm getting another chance to pass an RFA in the future. SaintofLosAngeles XD(M) 03:41, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Same as what Chia says. I think that at this point removing admin and bureaucrat would be appropriate, but give him another chance as a regular user. From there he can prove that he can handle the task of administrator and may start another RFA for himself if he wishes. As what I have seen from the community, I think de-sysoping would be the least of what most people expect and would only be fair compared to the permanent blocks that have been handed out for this type of problem. Not to mention the fact that it is admin abuse. Besides, the abuse came not from the crat functions, but usually from the regular sysop functions. Creepydude ^Sniper Say Some'at Here! 05:49, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Comment Here comes my stake.

Desysoping BigM - Neutral leaning towards support Changed to oppose 19:43, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
Block - Neutral
Permanent Block - Strong Oppose

Right BigM, I have to say I was very disappointed with you. HOWEVER, when I looked through your contribs, EVERY SINGLE ONE, that's why I have not really been editing here in the past week, the block log, the protect log, the deletion log, and the admin's, Cod1, Akyoyo, and my talk pages, I realized how much of a help you have been. We can't afford to block you indefinitely. You, as with all the admins, have been invaluable to this wiki.

I think that banning you indefinitely would be as stupid as closing down this wiki. So I oppose that. If you are desysopped, then of course you should be able to try an RFA.

BigM, you have been a great help to this wiki. It would be a great shame to see you go. If you left, the only person I would blame is myself. I can't do that. Hold on man, lets see what happens.

Support removal of all sysop powers, neutral on block, oppose permanent block and support political death sentence. He shouldn't be allowed his powers back but still should be able to contribute. Plus admin or not that's what he should be doing anyway, it's just that while he did have admin powers he abused them. Critchell ^Sniper 14:54, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Support removal of all sysop powers, support on block, oppose permanent block and oppose political death sentence There are more deserving people to be admins.Joem25 ^iTalk ^iWork 17:27, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - no one deserves to be an admin, it is not something you earn. It is an extra set of tools for those users who require them for anti vandalism work. Remember, all editors are equal. Forgetting this policy can put you in a place like mine.--Bigm2793 18:49, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Support removal of all sysop powers, neutral on block, oppose permanent block and neutral on political death sentence. BigM shouldn't be allowed to use his powers of authority until he clears himself out, and shapes up. He (based on what I can see)has severely abused the powers he has gained over time, and does not have the right to have them back yet. He ought to understand that this is because of the actions he displayed here. He, however, should not be given a PERMANENT block as he has shown a good deal of use to us before. He should get a minor/temporary block at worst (along with his powers being taken). I don't know what would happen if he gets a political death sentence, however, as I don't understand the term. Therefore I am useless on that matter.--Bignicky9 22:08, Sep. 29, 2009 (UTC)

Desysoping Bigm - Support
Block - Strong oppose
Political Death - Support

Call me crazy, but I grew up learning that when somebody abuses what they have, they lose it. BigM, I don't have anything against you ,but after CoD4's RfA fiasco, I'm not sure if I can trust you with that kind of power. I feel that if we do let you in a power slot like that, you may get angry again and the same event will happen again. —Unsigned comment was added by Cpl. Wilding 21:08, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Comment That's why I blame myself for this. Oh, and Bigm is right in his comment above.

De-admin (Both Sysop and crat) - Strong Support
Block - Neutral, leaning towards support
Political Death Sentence - Neutral

You guys pretty much know how it is by now. Summary: The biggest example of both power abuse and simultaneously being an asshole I've ever seen since Bush was in office. This alone could be evidence enough to get rid of your admin tools, but in plenty of other areas, even when you claim to be knowing and responsible in the area of AEAE, you still manage to act like you're the king of this place. Sure, being an admin is obviously going to influence people a little more because of your rep, but you really did act like you were more equal than other people most of the time. Even if everything could be headed by one person on a wiki, it certainly wouldn't be you. As for blocking? Not sure, but you're already on the razor's edge. Political death sentence? I'm conflicted. And a few Comments, your signature? Why in the world would you pick such a thing? And then WELCOME people with it? What kind of message are we sending, that this place is a haven for Neo-Nazis? Come on! I'm not sure if you could learn your lesson or not, but you DEFINITELY shouldn't be in a position of power for a while, that much I know. -- Ari "Akyoyo" MacIsaac · Talk

EDIT: Support block, oppose perma-block, support political death sentence. —Unsigned comment was added by Akyoyo

Support- De-sysop: I agree that sysop powers should be removed, at least temporarily. I'm sorry it's come to this, but in my eyes BigM's proven that he cannot be trusted with power. After what happened between him and COD4 over the past couple weeks, along with the feud between him and Fedarated Ak-74u that's been ongoing since before I joined this wiki, I really feel it's best for him to lose his admin powers, at least for the time being.

Oppose- Block: However, BigM's always been a good contributor, and he's done nothing that would merit taking away his editing privileges and keep him from making more good contributions to the articles, especially with MW2 on the horizon.

Oppose- Perma-block: Per reasons above

Oppose- Political death sentence: I believe that BigM should be given another chance with his powers sometime in the future. If he proves that he can handle them better than he has over the past few weeks, then, and only then, should his sysop powers be reinstated.

Comment- In conclusion, I support a temporary removal of his powers. In the future, if he proves that he can handle himself, then he should be given a chance with his powers again.

WouldYouKindly 02:54, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Here's my official vote:

Support removal of all administrative powers - As per everyone else.

Support short block - Per what he said to Creepydude here. This would get anyone else a block, why not Bigm? Nothing major, just a few days to a week.

Oppose political death sentence - Bigm's a good guy who just let's his temper get the best of him...a lot. If he can learn to control this than he should be able to earn his powers back. He'll just have to prove himself.

SaintofLosAngeles XD(M) 03:06, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

I hereby give up my Bureaucrat and Sysop powers. The wiki however will still decided if I deserve a block and political death sentence.--Bigm2793 03:36, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Political Death Sentence, and Blocks[]

So a different matter will be settled now: should he ever get his tools back? And should he be (Permanently) Blocked? Let's count 'em up so far and see if anyone would like to add anything. -- Ari "Akyoyo" MacIsaac · Talk 05:03, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Block

Support	5
Neutral	5
Oppose	3

Perma-Block

Support	0
Neutral	1
Oppose	11

Political Death Sentence

Support	8
Neutral	0
Oppose	6

Block Yeah, his statements alone merit that. Perma-block jeez, what did he get an electronic Death Note complete with the eyes? Let's not get carried away here, we're sensible... Political Death Sentence As I recall, if you can't handle the tools, isn't it just protocol to never let them touch them again? Or is it just that people would be heavily swayed towards that decision? By the way, how long does this take to settle, again? -- Ari "Akyoyo" MacIsaac · Talk 05:07, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you intended to do with that Death Note (link for people who don't know what we're talking about) reference, but a reason not to give Bigm a block would be that the havoc he caused was with his sysop powers, which will be removed soon. Problem solved, right? Well, a reason to give him the block would be the attack on Creepy, which was only provoked to a degree.

With whether or not he'd ever be allowed to have sysop powers again, I'll just stick with the fact that individuals are dynamic. They change over time. I would assume that if Bigm shaped up and was nominated for adminship, the people voting would be able to determine whether or not he would then be up to the job.

Sgt. Chiafriend^Rifleman 06:52, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

To clear up, I mentioned Death Note becuase it's not like he killed anybody, but he has misbehaved, and I think he deserves a block. Permanently, no. Political death sentence, yes, I don't think he should get to be an admin again. -- Ari "Akyoyo" MacIsaac · Talk 18:16, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

So..uhh...let's get this discussion moving again please people. Having ones fate hang in the balance if torment for me so lets get this over with as quickly as possible--Bigm2793 22:37, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

I support the block, oppose the perma-block, and am neutral leaning towards supporting the political death sentence. Sorry if this isn't formatted properly, but I'm a total n00b when it comes to this "political" stuff. Imrlybord7 01:38, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

I would like to revise my position. I now oppose the political death sentence. Imrlybord7 05:02, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Back in my ROTC days, I've dealth with situations like these. In my unit, if something like this happened, the cadet would be immediately relieved of command and would undergo an evaluation with the instructors and upper echelon. Seems like the same thing is happening here, which makes things easier for me. I oppose the block because there is no reasonable point to it. I mean what would it solve anyway? I oppose the perma-block because the contributions Bigm has made to this site are invaluable and very much appreciated. However, I support the political death sentence because what he did was way out of line, not just for an admin but a person as well. And I'm not just talking about the perma-blocks. Yes, there was a discussion behind his back, but it's no excuse for his behavior. It could have been handled in a better way, but unfortunately that wasn't the case. Chief z 11:28, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think the block is unavoidable. Any regular user that does this would've been blocked forever, so why not Bigm? I'm not saying that he should get blocked forever, but I'm certainly leaning towards it (a lot; why should he get less penalty?). As for the death sentence, definitely. Admins are supposed to be relied on during problems, and someone to be a role model, and Bigm is definitely not a good role model. Teh lolz! Bionicle+Lotr 01:32, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

(am I supposed to up the tally)? Teh lolz! Bionicle+Lotr 01:34, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I think the outcome is fairly clear at this point. Bigm's administrator privelages were already removed, and clearly everyone is against a perma-block. As far as a temp-block, I see no point in this, because well, really what would be the point in this? In regards to a political death sentance, I suppose that is still something that bears voting for, however the consensus still appears to be that Bigm should get another chance at admin. He would have to earn the respect of all the users (a big task), so if he were able to do that, then I'd say he would be ready for another crack at admin. And remember, Bureaucrats can remove Sysop privelages, so if problems come, he won't be able to take part in this wiki again. To recap, anything beyond removing admin (which as been done) seems pointless to me. Just my thoughts. Creepydude ^Sniper Say Some'at Here! 02:12, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

So if he were to become an admin again, would he be able to become a bureaucrat or just a regular sysop? Teh lolz! Bionicle+Lotr 02:23, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Well, I guess I would be neutral on the block to Bigm, since his attack on Creepy was my only reason for supporting it, and since Creepy doesn't care about it I guess I don't really care either. As for his future admin privileges, I think he should only be allowed sysop, and not bureaucrat. SaintofLosAngeles XD(M) 02:27, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - would the community be opposed to me having rollback rights to help combat vandalism? All they do is allow me to revert an edit rather than undo it.--Bigm2793 11:59, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

I'd say that sounds reasonable. Imrlybord7 12:12, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Rollback seems OK to me. Oh, and I would also like to say that BigM should DEFINATELY be able to try another RFA. So yeah, I definately think that BigM should be allowed rollback privelages. I have them, so BigM should definately have them.

Comment/Vote Block:Neutral ||| Perma Block:Opposed ||| Political Death Sentence:Strong Support ||| On block? Theres no point in a non perm block in this situation, as for a Perm Block, rarely is this a good thing, Bigm has done good edits in the past despite having problems handling power. Big yes to a Political Death Sentence. Im not going into detail explaining why, ask on my talk page if you want to know why, and Im sure most of you guys already know. As you all know Ive had problems with Bigm in the past, more than a year ago it almost ended up in the removal of his Sysop and my sysop powers, as Chia probably remembers. More recently was my having my powers removed for moving a page. They say somethings never change, and even if preached he wont abuse again, I dont think thats actully the truth. So Im for having him never get powers again Errettung^RetiredMod

Ah, the plot thickens. So, the way things are going, it appears BigM will be blocked temporarily, he will definitely NOT get permanently blocked, and we just need a tie breaker for his right to be an admin again. When do we decide when the voting is closed? It sure feels like the next couple of users would decide, then it would be over. -- Ari "Akyoyo" MacIsaac · Talk 21:02, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

I'd also like a personal apology from Bigm before this ends, namely for, removing my powers for no good reason (I did something he ended up doing like 5 days later), banning me for my opionions ect. Im flabbergasted I have not recieved one yet lol. Errettung^RetiredMod

I asked Chia on RuneScape and he said the standard 2 weeks unless there is overwhelming support on one side--Bigm2793 21:09, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

~~I know I am a pretty new user, and I have not been frequenting the Wiki lately, but I thought I should throw in my two cents on the death sentence:~~

Maybe what should happen is that BigM is temporarily not allowed to request Adminship for a month or few, but after that amount of time, he is allowed to request. The request has to go through a discussion, like this one, and then the Admins crats discuss objectivly whether he should be allowed or not. If he is not, then BigM is not allowed to request for another month or so, unless other evidence is shown to say otherwise. The process the begins again. Through-out this time, if BigM takes any innapropriate actions (abuse, bullying etc, etc) then he is given the death sentence). In this way, he is not senetnced, yet he only is given adminship if it is warranted and the motion is a general consensus from the community. Therefore, everybody wins.

~~Thanks, for you time. Attack Rhino 10:30, September 26, 2009 (UTC)~~

No! Not just the admins! All editors are equal!!!!! we should all have a say!!!!!

Okay, okay. :) The request goes through the discussion (like this one), and to private council of admins or crats or other type of staff. Maybe the Discussion is given say, a week or maybe slightly less, so that as many users can comment as possible, without dragging it out too long.

~~Edit: but is this a good system to have in place, as a special RfA?~~

~~Attack Rhino 14:13, September 26, 2009 (UTC)~~

About the all editors are equal, why is Bigm getting this second chance thing for what he did (I'm not opposing anyone, I'm just saying)? A new user who says this kind of stuff and swears like that will usually get banned for months or maybe a year, but why not Bigm? I don't want him to be banned for that long, but I'm just wondering why he's getting "special treatment"? Teh lolz! Bionicle+Lotr 14:36, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, you know wha? I just looked at Federated's block log, and yeah, definitely going for the political death sentence. Teh lolz! Bionicle+Lotr 14:40, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Make sure you add the tallies next time. I did for you and Rhino this time though. I just saw my complete block logs myself. The ones prior to the permenant block. Errettung^RetiredMod

Ah, yes. Thanks. I didn't know if I was supposed to up the tally or if it was up to an admin to do so. Teh lolz! Bionicle+Lotr 02:41, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

~~I agree, death sentence also. Attack Rhino 23:41, September 26, 2009 (UTC)~~user lacks required mainspace edits to participate

AEAE, man. -- Ari "Akyoyo" MacIsaac · Talk 19:23, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Who was that directed at?--Bigm2793 19:28, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

I already said that to Attack Rhino. Anyway, I am changing my vote to oppose for BigM's sysop powers being removed. But that won't make any difference. But still, I want you to see my view.

You're right, it's a little late for that. My comment was directed at Bioniclepluslotr, for what he said about tallying votes. -- Ari "Akyoyo" MacIsaac · Talk 22:32, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

I see. Thank you. Teh lolz! Bionicle+Lotr 21:38, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Change to Oppose death-sentence, i realised it's a bit harsh. Critchell ^Sniper 21:03, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

I think political death sentence should be in his future, if he can't deal with the power, why give it to him? Find someone else whom can handle it better! User:Jamesfury 5:24, Oct , 2009

Call for Closure - it's been two weeks and there is no consensus for any of the proposals to be implemented.--Bigm2793 14:27, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

I think the admins need to just have a discussion amongst themselves and make a decision. Imrlybord7 17:54, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

because i change my mind all the time i've once again gone for support death-sentence Critchell ^Sniper 14:34, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

I will keep campaigning for the reinstatement of BigM's powers. Imrlybord, it shouldn't be just the admins. COD:AEAE.

Closing - It's been two weeks now. I'm assuming everyone who is interested has voted, and the discussion has considerably died down.

The results: Even if Bigm had not requested his powers to be removed, they would have been from the landslide of support. The temporary block does not pass with 38% in favor, and no one even supported the permanent option. As for the political death sentence, it also fails, but with 57% (Archived consensus mini-discussion for those confused as to why it didn't pass with over 50% support.). Bigm will be able to become a sysop once again if he can pass another RfA. Sgt. Chiafriend^Rifleman 04:20, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

So there is no punishment except the removal of power? No block? Teh lolz! Bionicle+Lotr 16:11, October 4, 2009 (UTC)