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Since coming back a couple days ago and editing whoring anything to do with categories and images, I've noticed a couple things that are concerning me:

  • User activity seems to fluctuate a bit, from times where I observe a high level of activity to nothing new appearing on RC.
  • Chat activity is at a new low, however, I'm not entirely sure if this is due to my timezone.
  • Numerous new accounts have been made over the past week, but their involvement with the wiki has been limited to around 10-30 edits and nothing else.
  • Some users, such Soap Shadow, have left without explanation.
  • Involvement with AFD, UotM etc has nearly no involvement (as noted by Ninja in his blog).
  • Weekly New Blogs and similar are in complete disarray.

The main problem at the moment is the lack of user activity in side areas of the wiki (AFD, FA, Chat e.g.), and to a lesser extent, user retention. Overall, the wiki could be brought up to scratch if these issues were addressed; I don't want to see this place just fade away because of some simple stuff that can easily be fixed.

Here are some questions to start the discussion:

  • How could admins be more inviting/friendly for new users?
  • How could we highlight the wiki's side stuff more so then a single blog?
  • Is user retention a problem with us, or the franchise?

Capt. MillerTalk 11:52, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

I don’t see how activity fluctuating is a bad thing, or a thing we need to try to improve. Not only is it summer, but most editors here come from North America and the UK, which means that there’ll be times where very few users are active for reasons that are outside of out control. We’ve also discussed shutting down Chat recently. Not to mention that users come and go at random, even experienced users, and a user actually telling us that they’re leaving is a very rare thing. Have we even had a weekly news blog recently? I thought those just died off.

On the topic of admins being more inviting/friendly, it doesn’t work. I feel like this was already discussed in a forum before a couple years back, and there’s only been one user that I can think of who’s joined this wiki because of the actions of an admin. Even, the user even admitted that he likely wasn’t going to stick around the wiki much.

User retention is an overall problem the Wikimedia foundation and even Wikipedia has, but if you add on the fact that CoD is a dying franchise and that most CoD players are no longer getting their news from websites like us and Charlieintel, but turning to YouTubers (at least one of whom has slandered us in a video) instead, you’ll get the situation we’re in now. In all honesty, I think there’s very little we can actually do. Conqueror of all Zombies (talk) 16:54, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

Conqueror is mostly right. The biggest reason behind the fall of activity is because media like YouTube and specialized websites like CharlieIntel are what appeal the most to people. Don't get me wrong, YouTubers are complete cancer for the most part and I 100% prefer utilizing the CoD Wiki over some obnoxious YouTuber for research and other stuff, but remember that most of CoD fans are either children or dudebros who are the perfect audience for people like TmartN, Noah, AliA, etc. CoD itself isn't the only one concercned: Wikias like GTA have decreasing activty because Youtube handles most of the available content.

It's not the only reason. CoD itself is becoming less popular among modern vidya audience. 75% of CoD stuff is backlash, because the modern-day gamer is apparently cool if they hate CoD, and because newer releases like Overwatch are taking over the FPS genre. This place was very active when CoD was at its peak between 4 and BO. Ghosts turned a good part of the audience away because of how mediocre it was. I haven't monitored the evolution of the sales from release to release, but it's probably been going down.

And then finally, as a consequence of the above, it wouldn't surprise me that people left because they lost interest, either in Wikia itself or in CoD. To be honest, besides reverting the occasional vandalism and posting blog comments, there's little for me to do. I mostly lost interest in CoD, stopped playing BO3, don't plan on buying IW, and the older games already have 99% of existing info so there's little to nothing to add.

People are losing interest, and those that still have some typically go towards YouTubers which is, tbh, more viewer-friendly than Wikia is - people typically prefer watching videos than reading text blocks. There's little for us to do here: I believe the sysops' behavior is mostly flawless when it comes to new users, and the wiki itself is not to blame. Losing interest is why FA, UotM, etc. are being left behind, and also a lot of active users/sysops stopped being active, or are hardly active at all. Just keep the wiki running in its current form, and eventually pray for an activity spike - this sounds like a joke, but there's really not much else to do, it's nearly impossible to draw attention away from YouTubers. VaultTecLogo.png Rain - Talk VaultTecLogo.png 17:53, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

According to Game Rant, BOII sold much slower than MW3, and both Ghosts and AW made less money than the previous game did. It doesn't say how much that BOIII made, but it's probably safe to assume that it didn't make more than BOII or MW3. Conqueror of all Zombies (talk) 18:17, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, another forum that somehow thinks a wiki of a dying franchise will be able to grow. CoD is not doing well, so of course the contributions will lull. Also, I want to point out a few issues with your points.

  1. "User activity seems to fluctuate a bit, from times where I observe a high level of activity to nothing new appearing on RC." - As I said, this is due to the franchise being dull. We don't get many new contributions, and sometimes not many people edit. Throw in a hint of real life (work, school and the like) and you end up with days where not many edits are done. It's also made harder by the fact a lot of new content to CoD these days is done though Supply Drops, so we can't update as easily any more.
  2. "Chat activity is at a new low, however, I'm not entirely sure if this is due to my timezone." - Same reasoning as above, not many people are coming to the Wiki so all we have left is the regulars. Not much can be done about that. Sometimes I see new people join say "Hi" and then leave in under 30 secs because they haven't had a reply.
  3. "Numerous new accounts have been made over the past week, but their involvement with the wiki has been limited to around 10-30 edits and nothing else." - There's not huge incentive to stay really. But also this isn't new. Back at our peak we still had loads of new accounts doing nothing more than 1-2 edits than disappearing. It just seems more pronounced now because we have less users editing, so new names stand out more.
  4. "Some users, such Soap Shadow, have left without explanation." - Not new at all. We've had 100s of users leave without explanation. Heck, the Founder of the wiki didn't even stick around after they made it.
  5. "Involvement with AFD, UotM etc has nearly no involvement (as noted by Ninja in his blog)." Again, the wiki is lulling, so this has knock on effects in other areas. When a War Room forum is just 3 voices going round you can't get a consensus and it dies.
  6. "Weekly New Blogs and similar are in complete disarray." - This one I'm going to be blunt on. No one gives a shit. Not about the point, but about CoD news. At this stage all we really report is patches, DLC/games being announced and that's about it. Also, we're left so far out the circle most YouTubers snatch up news first. If we die, it will be Activisions fault because they're bias twats that only care about money and not their community (in fact remember Black Ops 3 "community" trailer that was just esports players and YouTubers?).
So in short. We can raise the issue as much as we want, but it's something we can't fix. Unless someone like Acti wants to get involved and help us, then we will die as the franchise dies. Most I'm waiting for now is a new game to be announced so I can make a new wiki on it and move to that wiki, as I was hoping to do with Human Element before it got axed. 18:32, August 6, 2016 (UTC)
Yes, we can fix it (or at least several parts of it), by simply focusing on improving the wiki and stop throwing away the things that have been waning in activity. I don't mean to be rude, but several of the users who, on my blog, addressed the issues that I mentioned, ironically didn't recently make any effort in improving the areas (UOTM, AFDs, etc.), which would be done by simply giving your opinions and votes on them. The issues are just being dismissed, with a sticker on the topics that says "they're dead, don't bother re-establishing activity on them", and this is completely unacceptable. Activity has decreased, but not to the point of considering the wiki as dying, and just because several users have left doesn't mean we're gonna imitate them. We still have decent activity on the wiki, which means that the problems can be fixed indeed. HBRa3 menu icon AW Ultimate94ninja talk · contribs 19:18, August 6, 2016 (UTC)
No it's an issue that cannot be fixed. If wiki activity was so easy to control then we wouldn't have these issues. Fixing UOTM, AFD, etc. and putting them back on the tracks won't do much. It's really simple, CoD is dying off and the remaining fans go to YouTube because it's a worldwide website. That's the issue, YouTube is insanely popular and catching their users' attention is very difficult. It's nothing akin to using a toolkit to fix a couple of screws. VaultTecLogo.png Rain - Talk VaultTecLogo.png 19:26, August 6, 2016 (UTC)
AFDs, UOTM, etc rely on consensus. You can't form a consensus with so few voices. Take the trivia forum. It got no where because it was more or less just CoaZ and myself. There's no way to re-inject life in to that. This isn't just a simple fix of just "Go on the forums and do stuff". I'm replying now because I'm watching RC because I'm bored but can't be asked to load up a game. But come tomorrow after I've slept, if this forum isn't in the RC, I may forget about it. I spent all of today putting some pokemon though Super Training so I was able to focus on the Wiki and the game, hence how I saw this. Come tomorrow I may feel like going on Fallout 4, so I won't be looking at the Wiki. It's nothign that can be helped. We can be active as much as we like, heck I'm still here despite hardly touching CoD sans the odd screenshot, but a handful of active users does not make a community. We need quantity as well as quality. 19:43, August 6, 2016 (UTC)
Honestly, I think it's something where we can at least make an attempt, or quell it to some degree. From what I've observed, we have at least several new/returning users actively contributing (ToonToons22, NotLessOrEqual, Orbitball, Makaroz, Zombiehunter115 etc) that indicate we have the amount of users, just not the participation. I'm mainly raising the discussion again because of this recent trend, so maybe just dismissing it altogether might not be the best idea. Capt. MillerTalk 02:26, August 7, 2016 (UTC)
EDIT: "Not much can be done about that. Sometimes I see new people join say "Hi" and then leave in under 30 secs because they haven't had a reply." Also, one other point, I know it isn't your responsibility, but if a user says "Hi" while you're on chat, and you don't respond, why do you think they left? Maybe interacting with people who randomly join might increase the activity. Capt. MillerTalk 03:10, August 7, 2016 (UTC)
This kind of forum was opened before, and it will be closed the same way as the others, with no real solution or change. Honestly it's really simple: contributors have their activity dying because they're losing interest and/or getting IRL responsibilities, and potential contributors are going towards YouTube. If something could've been done then I assume we would have probably raised the issue and took care of it by now. As of now there's really little for us to do anymore to attract new contributors, this wiki is already pretty well customized to be user-friendly with messages, suggestions etc. You have to realise, the biggest issues here are CoD dying off and YouTube and it's really impossible for us to do anything against that. VaultTecLogo.png Rain - Talk VaultTecLogo.png 08:35, August 7, 2016 (UTC)
"Also, one other point, I know it isn't your responsibility, but if a user says "Hi" while you're on chat, and you don't respond, why do you think they left? Maybe interacting with people who randomly join might increase the activity." - I'm sorry, let me just drop whatever else I'm doing to ensure someone stays in chat for 5 minutes. I don't get a chance to reply quickly every time, but many of the users in question are also impatient. I mean early in the day the only people in chat are myself, Holo and sometimes Cod4. Since one of those users is a bot, and Cod4 just has chats open be default, the only one that could remotely be active is myself. But with only 3 users in chat, how can anyone expect an instant reply? There has to be leverage from both sides. Maybe we need to respond quicker, but people need to understand if there's only a few people in a chat, then they may not get an instant response. Sometimes I'm in chat but on a fullscreen game. I can be pinged if a troll joins, but aside from that at times I can't watch chat 24/7. 10:42, August 7, 2016 (UTC)
Common courtesy can do wonders for people, and simply engaging with random users wondering in might make them a regular. Sure, you might be playing games or something, but people appreciate a welcoming attitude. Again, I'm not asking you to actually do this, so just consider this as a suggestion. Capt. MillerTalk 11:41, August 7, 2016 (UTC)

I don't think this forum is necessary, as the community itself already has enough contributors to sustain it. What's the point if the situation isn't that bad? Alpha25 (talk) 15:37, August 7, 2016 (UTC)

iirc, since like MW3 we've been losing more users than we've gained, and sections of this wiki that should be (or have been in the past) more active just, aren't. Conqueror of all Zombies (talk) 19:36, August 7, 2016 (UTC)
However, there is still enough people here for this to be a "community". I still don't see how this is an urgent problem. Alpha25 (talk) 03:42, August 11, 2016 (UTC)
Just because it's not an urgent problem doesn't mean that it's not one that shouldn't be addressed. While it certainly feels like we've had more active users lately than the past few years, we've still been (generally) been losing users since like BO/MW3. Conqueror of all Zombies (talk) 06:31, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

Question. Is this discussion going to continue, or is it going to die down until someone revives it a few months from now? gorillaz_2_d_icon_by_retardparade-d6avfyv.gif Super Gamer Ghost  23:24, August 10, 2016 (UTC)

Probably the latter. Although this discussion was kind of dead from the start, since most of the stuff that's needs to change for this wiki to be back up to scratch is outside of our control. Conqueror of all Zombies (talk) 23:28, August 10, 2016 (UTC)

4. im not really sure what were suppose to do about users leaving without an explanation. some people just might not have time to explain, or may not be comfortable with explaining why theyre leaving.

5. true, uotm hasnt had much activity lately, and afd hasnt been as active lately either, but look at the featured articles page. its gotten plenty of activity this month and last month. regarding how to get afd and uotm more activity, i dont think theres really much else we can do. we could maybe move them to the forum space and they could be put in the community section on the top bar thing, but thats the only real idea i have for giving either of them more activity.

6. before we deal with weekly news blogs, i think we need to do something with everything else in the news team. maybe if everyone is allowed to make news and more news is made we can maybe start doing weekly news blogs again, but as sam said theres currently not really enough news being mentioned by us for it to be gathered up and get reported in a blog.

as far as those first three things your wanting to work on goes, i dont really know how we would work on any of that. War flag of the Imperial Japanese Army RisingSun2017 Personal RisingSun2013 2000px-Flag of JSDF.svg (RisingSun's Talk Page Blog Posts Contributions) 01:08, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

UotM really just needs a little more promotion, to be honest. I think that could fix the lack of voters. Capt. MillerTalk 01:39, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

I'm aware this discussion is almost dead, but I wanted to lay in my two cents. We all need to accept the reality that the Call of Duty Wiki's days are coming to a close, and there's nothing we can do to suppress it. Activity is at it's lowest, with all the recent edits mainly carried out by me and CoaZ. Chat's usually dead, and the only two users that are in there for the majority of the time are Didikins and Callofduty4. While FA polls have been slightly more active, other things like UotM have been completely deserted, and I doubt activity will pick up in that area. Discussions last only a day or two, and then become dormant thereafter. The majority of articles regarding recent entries are stubs, and rarely receive attention.

And in regards to new users. The number of new users who remain on board are low at best, with the rest absent the day after they're arrival. The only two new users that are still active from what I've seen are Orbitball and NotLessOrEqual.

So the wiki is pretty much on it's death bed, and all we can do is watch and let nature take it's course. I'm also considering leaving this wiki to focus on other ones because of the activity shortage. gorillaz_2_d_icon_by_retardparade-d6avfyv.gif Super Gamer Ghost  05:00, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

The situation isn't the "wikis deathbed", not at all. Hell, according to this, we're one of the most active wikis around. From the day I arrived, activity hasn't dropped to the point where it's depressing, and right now, the situation isn't even as bad as I might have implied. I originally made the forum to deal with this slight dip in activity, not about no activity at all. Also, when you state it's just you and COAZ who edit, you're forgetting about a large group of people (Me, RisingSun2013, Ultimate94ninja, Legos-Rule-15, Zombiehunter115, Didikins, YellowLucario etc) who edit at different time periods. Capt. MillerTalk 05:36, August 11, 2016 (UTC)
That list is broken. While we are one of the most active, there are more wikis not listed there which qualify. YELLOWLUCARIO TALK  17:04, August 17, 2016 (UTC)
EDIT: Also, just wanted to point out UotM nominations can only be made after the 19th, so we just have to wait and see how much activity it gets then. Capt. MillerTalk 05:54, August 11, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah maybe I over exaggerated it a bit, but I do feel the wiki could be coming to a close, as the amount of users participating is lower than before. It really is more than just a slight dip (at least in my eyes). Also what I mean't by low activity, is that the amount of people contributing is very low, as mentioned previously, so I should've communicated it more properly back there. And yes I made a miscalculation with the amount of users who frequently edit, as you and the others mentioned do indeed contribute quite often, but that's not a enough to be considered a large group of active users. Plus I never said that me and CoaZ are the only users that edit. My original statement was "Activity is at it's lowest, with all the recent edits mainly carried out by me and CoaZ."
And I'm aware UotM can nominations can only be made from the 19th and onward of each month, but that doesn't explain why it's activity is getting scarce. gorillaz_2_d_icon_by_retardparade-d6avfyv.gif Super Gamer Ghost  19:16, August 11, 2016 (UTC)
That feel when Callofduty4 is more active than you. 20:54, August 11, 2016 (UTC)
And Tavi is as active as a dead fish in chat. Twig (Talk) ZYUc79I.png 22:38, August 11, 2016 (UTC)
Compared to yesteryear, the wiki is still going alright, just some of our usual regulars on chat have disappeared for some reason. I'm not entirely sure where you get your comparison from, but to me, activity isn't at its lowest, it has just dipped enough for this forum to be made. Capt. MillerTalk 02:26, August 12, 2016 (UTC)

Since this forum is a tad bit stagnant, I got a couple of ideas I'd like to share:

  • Directing attention to AFD, UotM, FA - Maybe some more of the admins could give the aforementioned more attention by inputting their votes/comments.
  • Changing some of the blocking guidelines regarding images (I know this has already been discussed, but this might help).
  • Admins/regulars making a conscious effort in chat to reply to users who stumble in (this actually made me stay all the way back in September 2013).

That's just a couple ideas that I've had in mind, and although it won't fix the situation drastically, it might quell the tide. Capt. MillerTalk 02:26, August 12, 2016 (UTC)

Simply having admins put more input into things like AFD isn't going to magically fix the problem. Last month I was the UotM and how did I win that? By one vote, the nomination to be precise, which was cast by an admin, and I wasn't even aware that I had been nominated until after I checked the main page of the wiki. Just because admins and 'crats give input into things like AFD, UotM, FA, etc doesn't mean that more attention will be drawn there. Not to mention that chat wasn't always new user friendly when it was active. Hell, I've most always been one of the more active users on here, and I never really enjoyed getting onto the chat since I didn't get most of the in jokes. I also don't see how simply welcoming a new user to a dead chatroom is going to do much of anything. Conqueror of all Zombies (talk) 03:27, August 12, 2016 (UTC)
But how do you know that my suggestions won't work? UotM, AFD, all these community parts of the wiki could gain attention from it appearing on RC. I'm suggesting we at least try something, instead of being pessimistic and dismissing it altogether. For chat, just saying "hello" could make someone feel welcome, but I'm referring to when someone's actually there. Capt. MillerTalk 03:57, August 12, 2016 (UTC)
At this point giving a reply to newcomers in chat will have them stick around for maybe 5 more minutes, before they leave when they realize the room is a ghost town and that it's mostly you and them. It won't do wonders.
"Directing attention to AFD, UotM, FA - Maybe some more of the admins could give the aforementioned more attention by inputting their votes/comments." - I fail to see how sysops editing a page will bring user attention, as evidenced above. As of now FA is more or less active. Frankly I can't see how much we can advertise UotM and FA considering links are already on the main page.
"Changing some of the blocking guidelines regarding images" - No, this has been suggested before and rejected. Seriously, being more tolerant of policy violations just for the sake of getting users to stay is ridiculous. It's not our fault if in 75% of cases the concerned users never bothered checking their talk pages for warnings, which is usually why admins opt to block the users. The policy and its related blocking guidelines are fine as of now, the biggest issue is that people for odd reasons fail to check their talk pages for the usual customized messages containing all of the necessary guidelines to comply with our image policy. VaultTecLogo.png Rain - Talk VaultTecLogo.png 09:28, August 12, 2016 (UTC)
Ok, let's just dismiss the idea altogether and not be proactive. Ultimately, doing something is better then doing nothing. Common courtesy, for the human race, is always appreciated, and simply saying "hello" will, in most circumstances, get a user to stay. It made me stay, it made this guy stay, so why won't it work at all? I say this from personal experience, when it was just me and only two users in the chat room when I first went on. Again, non of this is a must, just some ideas I had that I thought were worth sharing. Capt. MillerTalk 10:03, August 12, 2016 (UTC)
  • User activity seems to fluctuate a bit, from times where I observe a high level of activity to nothing new appearing on RC.
    • This isn't necessarily an issue, and it has been like that for as long as I can remember. During the night in the USA, activity is pretty low.
  • Chat activity is at a new low, however, I'm not entirely sure if this is due to my timezone.
    • It's not your timezone, it's pretty low nowadays. Fact of the matter is that once a chat loses activity, people stop going and it becomes a circle that's hard to break out of. We also don't really publicize the Chat much so there is that.
  • Numerous new accounts have been made over the past week, but their involvement with the wiki has been limited to around 10-30 edits and nothing else.
    • That's actually pretty good. 10-30 edits for a new user in the past week is a healthy statistic. We can improve that with simple things like thanking them for their work and showing them other places on the wiki that may need help.
  • Some users, such Soap Shadow, have left without explanation.
    • That happens sometimes... Soap Shadow is still around on other wikis, too.
  • Involvement with AFD, UotM etc has nearly no involvement (as noted by Ninja in his blog).
    • This is definitely something to work on.
  • Weekly New Blogs and similar are in complete disarray.
    • This too.

I will add more to this forum later but these were just my initial thoughts.  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  11:56, August 12, 2016 (UTC)

Here's my thoughts on the Wiki at the moment.

  • There's no real drive for me to edit here, while I'm on chat very frequently and will edit non-mainspace articles as and when they're required, normal users won't come here to edit those kinds of pages. I don't see any way to encourage people to edit articles which is a shame.
  • We've had our forum on the state of chat, and it's picking up. However, the Wiki has many active users who simply ignore the chat. This is quite poor, as it can be used as a base to make decisions on and with more users active on it, more new users will join in order to be part of a chat where they can communicate rather than whatever the hell chat is at the moment.
  • We need to promote the wiki. Being the highest quality location for Call of Duty content, you'd expect us to have far more activity than we do. This needs to be addressed. Getting a shoutout from a top YouTuber who isn't a verminous cunt would be a good start, or possibly another website, any way to get the word out.

There's probably a lot more, but I feel that if we can get these three points sorted (predominantly the latter two) we should see things improve. YELLOWLUCARIO TALK  17:22, August 17, 2016 (UTC)

something else we could do to get uotm more active is to extend the nomination period. i would suggest extending it to the end of the month to replace the extended voting period for when there havent been any nominations that month. i wouldnt suggest making voting able to be done earlier though, maybe a day at most, because its suppose to judge based on the past month so allowing voting too early wouldnt be a good idea i dont think.

i also think it would be a good idea to promote the wiki on wikia community central through the community spotlights on there, and maybe someone could make a promotion blog for the wiki on there too. War flag of the Imperial Japanese Army RisingSun2017 Personal RisingSun2013 2000px-Flag of JSDF.svg (RisingSun's Talk Page Blog Posts Contributions) 01:25, August 18, 2016 (UTC)

Isn't community spotlight for brand new wikis? Capt. MillerTalk 03:58, August 19, 2016 (UTC)
no, its for wikis that are in all-around decent shape, as far as article quality goes. if you want more info, you should see this page on wikia community central. War flag of the Imperial Japanese Army RisingSun2017 Personal RisingSun2013 2000px-Flag of JSDF.svg (RisingSun's Talk Page Blog Posts Contributions) 05:11, August 20, 2016 (UTC)
OK, this is something that has recently annoyed me. This forum points out how the AFD attention is waning, however in this scenario the user has not been directed to the AFDs. We have completely bypassed the AFD system to instead have a discussion between two users which has lead to a page split of at least 12,000 bytes. Something as big as this should have to go though the process. If we want to "get the back up to scratch" we can't do it by ignoring due process. 12:47, August 22, 2016 (UTC)
Which two pages were split? I wasn't aware this was the situation. Capt. MillerTalk 13:04, August 22, 2016 (UTC)
The newly made "Bomb" page from all the Bomb Objective pages (SnD, Demolition and Sabotage). 15:47, August 22, 2016 (UTC)
Also, it now crosses my mind, that now we've allowed this, do we now need a page on Flags from CTF, Dogtags from Kill Confirmed and other objective items needing their own pages? This is why we have the AFDs. Even when they die off at least they prevent us from having to now deal with fallout like this. You can at least revive a dead AFD, since then all the discussion is there, whereas if you bypass it you run in to issues with unstated comments. In fact, when an AFD goes dead it completely removes the aspect of "not enough time to vote". By the looks of things the above scenario was done in just about 24 hours.
Trust me, when I first commented on this forum, I was feeling pessimistic. But since then I've seen certain areas gain a new bit of life from this forum. Chat has some activity now rather than just nothing. Granted it's mainly between myself and Yellow (and a bit of Didi) but at least that means there's something going on when others join. So it really irks me that due process was not used while we had a forum like this up. 15:58, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

I will agree with what has been said by Sam and Super Gamer. I am one to believe that this wiki decreasing in activity solely because of forces beyond our control. In my opinion, changing things up, even greatly, will not really make a difference to user retention and activity if the target audience is not convinced to come here in the first place. I would recommend that we simply continue to do what we have been doing for years--keep a well-maintained mainspace and friendly environment for those who choose to come and edit. If the wiki eventually dies, we'll remember the experience as doing what we could to keep it active. If CoD suddenly becomes more popular, then we won't have to worry anyway. Joe Copp 00:01, September 5, 2016 (UTC)

This is something effecting not just CoD Wiki, But most large Wikis. Runescape being one, Now teaming up with subreddit to get a bit more active users. "If the wiki eventually dies, we'll remember the experience as doing what we could to keep it active." And the literal mental issues gained from it. Twig (Talk) ZYUc79I.png 01:33, September 5, 2016 (UTC)
Pessimism is definitely the best way to go about this. Capt. MillerTalk 03:48, September 5, 2016 (UTC)
A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist. 13:30, September 5, 2016 (UTC)
Considering in my 7 years of being an active Wikian, The amount of stress I've gained has increased almost trifold.. Kinda says something. Twig (Talk) ZYUc79I.png 20:01, September 5, 2016 (UTC)
So, how does this forum close? I mean, we can't really vote on anything, and I think the influx brought on from this forum is beginning to lull. 18:35, September 12, 2016 (UTC)
I reckon we should leave open for a little longer just To be safe, say about a week? Capt. MillerTalk 08:42, September 13, 2016 (UTC)
It's not an issues of how long it stays open. It's how do we close something like this? Generally there's a vote and the then the actions are put in to place. This has more or less just been a discussion about a matter, but there's not a really a set action we can take from this. Some actions are out of our control, like the popularity of the series, and others just rely on little things users do, like talking with new editors. 08:03, September 14, 2016 (UTC)
Well, it's been about a week. So what happens now? Do we just close it for stagnation? As pointed out, it's not exactly like we can vote on anything, and there's not much we can implement from this. 17:01, September 24, 2016 (UTC)
The big issue is still the lack of users here. We need to attract new users, be it through YouTube promotions, taking users from elsewhere - and that's all it boils down to. Are there any big YouTubers we could contact to shout the place out? YELLOWLUCARIO TALK  20:30, September 24, 2016 (UTC)
The issue with users (and I wouldn't say we have a lack of users by any means TBH) really isn't something we can solve. Having a small handful of people join the wiki then leave a week later 'cause we don't take the words of big YouTuber who gave us a shoutout as gospel wouldn't help solve any problems whatsoever. It might actually make the divide between big YouTubers and us worse. Conqueror of all Zombies (talk) 20:35, September 24, 2016 (UTC)

It's rather disheartening to see that with the concerns raised here in this thread, the conversation about Discussions so quickly turned to "let's stick it to Wikia" with zero thought put into how that feature might help to address these very concerns. While I truly do understand the frustration with how Discussions was enabled on this community, I believe the rush to "bastardization" is very short-sighted and is shooting yourselves in the foot.

Looking to attract new users and editors? People in Discussions have already asked about editing and tried their hand at it.

Looking to get discovered in new ways? Fandom Community Apps are all cross-promoted within one another, and have a user base of tens of thousands. This group of users is generally separate from the crowd that discovers wikis via Google; they are people discovering your community for the first time.

Looking to compete with YouTube on the video front? Videos can be posted in Discussions to generate conversation without having to worry about whether or not it's been categorized properly and used on all the right articles. Maybe the videos will be from YouTube, but so what? The caliber of conversation and community will be better here than on YouTube, especially if editors are involved.

Want people to get their news from CoD Wiki rather than YouTube? Cross-post your news blogs there or right things specifically for Discussions and see what kind of activity and engagement you get.

It's tempting to be reductive and write off Discussions as some new thing from Fandom (because we "don't care about what users think"), or something that just meant to "bring in more ad revenue". But this is a feature truly meant to facilitate community-building by expanding your reach, which is exactly what's being discussed here in this thread. If you're trying new things to bring more readers and editors, it can be another tool in your belt. -BertH @fandom (help forum | blog) 20:21, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

Closed - This forum fell to stagnation a month ago. And I don't want an argument over something we've already voted on to be what starts this forum up again. So we're closing this. 21:38, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

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