Hello all,
I want to propose for us to kick off an image renaming project. It's as simple as that, a project for users to take part in which consists of simply renaming any misnamed files you can find.
This is going to be over several months, so there is no rush or deadline that we need to be "finished" by.
Why should we do this? There are thousands of files with improper names. Renaming them would greatly improve the organization of our many images.
Currently only admins and custodians can move images (and suppress the redirects, which is important). So any user who is very interested in helping and has a reasonable amount of experience will be given the custodian rights if they do not have them already. We could also make one or two awards for users who contribute greatly to this project. Users can also be added to Sactage's IRC bot's privilege list so that they can use the bot to move/delete images if needed.
So do people want to do this? I think it would be a good group effort which would have noticeable results.
Discuss below please!
- Note: For the users who currently do not have custodian, and wish to help, add {{Smove|your reason}} on the page (The idea was KATANAGOD's). If we decide to go through with this (probably will), this way you can say you have experience when you request custodian rights for the project. 04:31, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Note: If any unused templates are found, please slap {{sdelete}} on them. Thanks! 01:11, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Note: Add {{sdelete}} to any unused, low quality, or duplicate images you find as well. User:Sactage/s.js 18:02, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
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Yes, I'm defiantly doing this. 00:58, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
I'm also on board. Phillycj 00:59, April 8, 2012 (UTC) Will do. User:Sactage/s.js 01:00, April 8, 2012 (UTC) I've doing this for the past month, so count me in. http://i.imgur.com/vm7BQ.png 01:07, April 8, 2012 (UTC) Per Kat and Samaloo. Redskin-26 01:09, April 8, 2012 (UTC) I already do this so ya, i'm cool with it. http://i.imgur.com/KUDLq.png 01:42, April 8, 2012 (UTC) Even though I'm a nub with codes, I'm in. PotatOSWanna Test?|My Own Test Chambers|Ohaithar 01:45, April 8, 2012 (UTC) A reason to Would also appreciate if users added speedy delete templates to ALL the unused pages (i.e. templates) so I or somebody else could go through them faster and delete what needs to be deleted. -- <choose><option> Hm, do we have any requirement for ppl who join. I wanted too, but I only have one small problem (below 50 MS edits) http://i.imgur.com/WSGki.png MaxxisTalk?!? 02:18, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
I can help out. Spring Break, YES! </captainfalcon> Lyra(SPNKR)is the bo$$ 06:09, April 8, 2012 (UTC) Count me in. I'll more be able to help on summer holiday, when I don't have anything better to do (except a one-month trip to UK, but I'll take my laptop with me). - MLGISNOT4ME [Talk] - 09:11, April 8, 2012 (UTC) Question — Just so I know, why is it important to suppress redirects when you're moving images? Sgt. S.S. 09:41, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
Yes sir! I think that the amount of images that are named 12345 is ridiculous. Rampantlion513Wanna Talk? 17:16, April 8, 2012 (UTC) I wanna help out, so I put my proposal on the TIG requests page, or here? http://i.imgur.com/VwuEI.pngSXe Fiend · talkhttp://i.imgur.com/VwuEI.png17:30, April 8, 2012 (UTC) As a custodian, it would be a bit odd of me not to want to contribute to this project. 17:32, April 8, 2012 (UTC)Sure, AJ'll help. I've already started posting {{Smove}} templates on files. --Guitar t-boneTalk to AJ 11:20, April 9, 2012 (UTC) It appears there is a lot of work to do. Great we've finally started doing something with these images. DarkMetroid567okay 01:56, April 10, 2012 (UTC) Helping. Joseph Tan l talk l edit count l contribs l 17:29, April 10, 2012 (UTC) I'll likely be nub and delete a few images in the process by accident, but I'll give it a shot anyway. I need Custodian though. Reznov115Talk
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A proposition[]
Assuming we're doing this (since at least I've started already with a few images), I think custodians should be able to edit all pages to be able to replace the filename on blogs, archives and comments. There are plenty of those images, and I think it'd be better to not only let admins take care of them.
The problem some may see is that it'd be too much power. However, a solution could be to take that ability away after the project is considered done, or that custodians must not use the ability to do anything else than replace filenames. What do you think? - MLGISNOT4ME [Talk] - 10:45, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Since Custodians are supposed to be trusted user, I doubt any of us would try to edit something other than an image on a Blog. To be safe however, is it possible to make an Abuse filter to prevent changing the text, but not the images? It sounds complex I know. http://i.imgur.com/KUDLq.png 12:33, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know how Wikia would react if we asked them to modify the user group right temporarily. User:Sactage/s.js 13:28, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- I don't see why they would have any issue with it. 14:14, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- This would be extremely helpful. http://i.imgur.com/vm7BQ.png 15:56, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- There are also some commands on IRC that automatically moves the image, surpresses the redirect, and replaces the image. PotatOSWanna Test?|My Own Test Chambers|Ohaithar 16:40, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks to Sactage and his sexy Cynder. Very simple and saves a great deal of time when renaming. I also support custodians having the power to edit blogs purely for image renames. 17:32, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- This would be extremely helpful. http://i.imgur.com/vm7BQ.png 15:56, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- I don't see why they would have any issue with it. 14:14, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know how Wikia would react if we asked them to modify the user group right temporarily. User:Sactage/s.js 13:28, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
Idea for additional Project[]
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I had an idea recently of a complete image overhaul project. Similar to other Overhaul Projects we have had previously, it would be a focused effort to clean up the Filespace in numerous ways:
What about unused templates? D:< -- <choose><option>
With all this talk of unused templates, I agree with Sam on this one, we should keep this a image related project, the unused templates of this wiki are few and far between, because most of these templates are used, just not being used at the moment. :| Redskin-26 23:04, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
CaC[]Menu Icon[]
BOII, it's the actual name. DarkMetroid567okay 04:58, May 23, 2012 (UTC) I got another small question. We have two shotguns called Ithaca 37 and Remington 870. I was going to rename the images on the Ithaca 37 page, but I noticed on the page that this shotgun is exactly the same, same texture hud icon etc, as the Remington 870. So what should these images be named? http://i.imgur.com/VwuEI.pngSXe Fiend · talkhttp://i.imgur.com/VwuEI.png03:05, June 28, 2012 (UTC) |
Compilation[]
Okay, so now that this has all been discussed, I think we need to do more with images than just renaming, we need to also make sure they are properly licensed, and make sure all unused/unneeded files are removed. Redundant images should be tagged for deletion and removed as well - this includes images such as several images for the cocking of a single gun.
So to make this easier, Crazy sam came up with an image hierarchy which we will be using to rename weapon images. The hierarchy goes like so:
- [Weapon] [Attachment/SOPMOD, Grenadier, etc.] [Action being depicted] [Camo] [3rd person/pick up/HUD/Menu icon] [Game].[file extention]
- Per some examples:
- G36C Red Dot Sight MW3.png
- G36C Red Tiger CoD4.png
- G36C Iron Sights Red Tiger CoD4.png
- G36C Dual Mags reload MW3.png
- G36C Red Dot Sight pickup MW2.png
- G36C Red Dot Sight Blue Tiger 3rd person MW2.png
- L86 LSW Grenadier pickup MW2.png
Please note however that the priority is to rename images with improper names, mark unused/unnecessary images for deletion, and make sure things are properly licensed.
Sactage's bot is currently ready to help in image maintenance. It has a few commands which do things to images. A documentation of the commands is found here.
Please post your name below if you plan on helping out with this project and you need custodian rights. They will be added over the coming days.
For all people looking to move files, use This and This -http://i.imgur.com/vm7BQ.png 23:28, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
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Users who need custodian rights[]Users who need access to Cynder[]As of now, I ask Nyx to copy-paste the commands I write for him, and when he's not there...it gets difficult. PotatOSWanna Test?|My Own Test Chambers|Ohaithar 03:27, April 10, 2012 (UTC) I could find having a bot do a few things useful. Just in case... --Guitar t-boneTalk to AJ 13:43, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
Any further discussion[]I want to add we should be looking for redundant images as well, we don't need 3 images of a gun cocking with different attachements if the animation is the same. 03:13, April 10, 2012 (UTC) Another side-note, for the infobox images, we should ensure we're keeping it uniform. I've seen both CaC and Menu icon used. I feel Menu icon fits better so we should try to keep to that, unless anyone else can think of a reason why it should not be called that. 02:59, April 11, 2012 (UTC) OK, this has to be brought up. I know we're trying to clear house here, but that doesn't mean put Sdelete on all the unused images, if you find one that can be used, use it. I've seen a few users putting Sdelete on files just because they're unused, but they have good enough quality to make it on the article, so please check before you use a template. 14:12, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
User:Crazy_sam10/Custodian_Help - Here's a page I made for any help Custodians may need. About Create-A-Class images, faction icons... please use Cynder instead of using your rights, Custodians. I've seen so many pages (missions, etc..) that has broken because people not fixing the page after renaming files. http://i.imgur.com/WSGki.png MaxxisTalk?!? 05:10, April 18, 2012 (UTC) I have successfully cleared out all 1000ish files in Special:UnusedFiles. If I deleted something that should not have been deleted, please contact and admin to restore it. Once it is restored, please put it in a page so it will not appear in the unused files page. Thanks! --Guitar t-boneTalk to AJ 15:56, April 23, 2012 (UTC) I know I'm a bit late on this, but count me in. PierogiTalk 01:06, April 24, 2012 (UTC) Regarding Custodian Rights[]Are we simply giving out custodian to users who request them to move and delete files on-wiki? DarkMetroid567okay 16:16, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
For all people looking to move files, use This and This -http://i.imgur.com/vm7BQ.png 23:28, April 14, 2012 (UTC) How long will this forum stay open? DarkMetroid567okay 23:55, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
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Needed images project[]
Merged from other forum
This project runs on the same grounds as the Image Renaming Project: there is no set amount of time which this has to be finished by, so it’ll go on for months.
We should do this because the attachment and camouflage templates need a significant increase in standard. As stated before, most of the gallery pages on the templates have no images, so how are they to just remain in that state?
Argo doesn’t have GIMP (the actual thing), while my Macbook can’t run it. So I think it would be greatly beneficial if this was a community project instead of a small-group kind of effort.
So do you all want to start this project? It’d have tremendous and significant results. Discuss please!
ParagonX7 跟我谈天 http://i.imgur.com/3hrm0HS.png Argorrath おしゃべり 10:12, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
This seems like a great idea, it's just I don't have the games for my PC. I would love to help in any other way, though! Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png 21:10, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
Image Categorization Extension[]
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Hello all. I want present to you an extension to the Project, dealing with Image Categorization. It would work like this: There will be subcategories, and specific ones, at that. We will have try and cover everything, from Personal Image to in-game images. For the Personal Images, there would be the category for that, and for the in-game images, there would be more specifics. We would cover Vehicles, Weapons, Characters, Factions, and Levels. Now, I decided this should be nice and structured, so I thought we could have a group of 1-3 people working on an category, so let's say 3 people working on the Personal images. Also, If a person finishes up their work in a group, they can go to another group, but it has to be the one with the most work still needed. Now, if you don't have a basic idea of what the category would be for...let's say..a Weapon for CoD4, it would look like this: "Category:Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Weapon Images". That is all I have to say. Discuss below please. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png 00:00, June 22, 2012 (UTC) Image categorisation is something we've neglected to do basically forever. It's useful and allows for a higher integrity of categorisation. I'd be up to doing this fully. 00:04, June 22, 2012 (UTC) This'll be amazingly helpful. I can get my bot to categorize everything if all the images are properly named. And I mean PROPERLY named. Everyone should take the time and start naming images to the correct filenames so i can start mass categorizing images with my lovely maiden. http://i.imgur.com/vm7BQ.png 00:50, June 22, 2012 (UTC) I think this is a great idea, and I'd love to help! Jsflaherty TALK 17:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC) I'm up for it. So how are the groups gonna be sorted out? ParagonX7 跟我谈天 http://i.imgur.com/3hrm0HS.png 10:08, June 25, 2012 (UTC) Yes please. Images at the moment are organized terribly. More organization is much better for the Wiki. DarkMetroid567okay 06:12, June 29, 2012 (UTC) This will be good. I'm down for this. http://i.imgur.com/VwuEI.pngSXe Fiend · talkhttp://i.imgur.com/VwuEI.png15:40, June 29, 2012 (UTC) Addendum[]As an extension to the extension (extenception?), an idea that arose from some discussion is to categorise images with very in-depth categories, not just vague-ish categories like "Category:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 weapon images". So instead, the idea would be to categorise images in tandem with what character/level/gun/whatever they show. So for example, an image with Frank Woods in it would contain the category Category:Frank Woods images, and an image of the mission Persona non Grata would contain the category Category:Persona non Grata images. However, what we need to discuss is whether to further subcategorise these categories by game. This really only applies to weapons and characters. So for example, should we have separate categories for Frank Woods in Black Ops and for Frank Woods in Black Ops II? Please discuss below. Thanks! 19:11, June 24, 2012 (UTC) The only problem I'd have with this is that it may cause some confusion, as categories for mainspace pages aren't as specific as the idea you've mentioned above. DarkMetroid567okay 02:37, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
Forum:Filespace_and_Related_Category_Changes[]This forum is pretty straightforward if rather mundane and not all important. Category:Images contains audio and video files as well as images, such as File:ACRMW2.ogg so I'd like to propose a renaming of that to Category:Files. Some might question whether it's even needed as Special:ListFiles could easily do it's job. Category:Fair use images contains many audio files too and a renaming of that would also ease any possible confusion. If such a thing isn't considered possible, should we have individual copyright choices and categories for images and viable audio files? If anyone questions the logistics of such a thing, we have several bots if the necessary categorisation changes are required, and I would ask for rights and use my bot if none are available. The too lengthy, did not peruse version which inexplicably has points I didn't cover in my main part are:
Discussion[]With the renaming project going on this seems like an excellent time to deal with this house keeping. Also it'll greatly aid with categorizing now that videos are in the filespace as well as sifting out the sound files. 22:02, June 11, 2012 (UTC)Since we moved all the videos to the filespace, how about we categorize ALL images with Category:Images, Videos with Category:Videos, and Sounds (.ogg) as Category:Sounds or Category:Audio? With the Videos being mixed into the filespace, we need a easy way to see all the IMAGES, without videos and sounds being mixed in and vice versa. Thoughts? 22:15, June 11, 2012 (UTC) I agree that separate categories for still images, videos, and sound files are a good idea. 03:23, June 14, 2012 (UTC) Comment - Separate categories for Images, Videos and Audio files is the best way to go. These categories can all be sub-categories of Category:Files if you want. 222 talk 02:54, June 16, 2012 (UTC) This all seems like a good idea. I'll support. Joe Copp 03:57, June 17, 2012 (UTC) I can get my lovely hellion to do the work. and this sounds like a good idea. http://i.imgur.com/vm7BQ.png 00:44, June 24, 2012 (UTC) Better organization and less confusion? Yes please. DarkMetroid567okay 00:53, June 24, 2012 (UTC) |
Compilation[]
This is IMPORTANT - please read. After more than a week of this being open to discussion, it is now time for us to begin this part of the project.
Image categorisation will be quite simple. It will follow the path shown on this chart (important to read). Boxes which are green on that chart are categories which individual files can go into. Boxes which are red are categories which individual files cannot go into.
Examples:
- File:Picking_up_Javelin_missile_The_Bog_CoD4.jpg Would go into Category:The Bog images
- File:Mini-Uzi CoD4.png would go into :Category:Mini-Uzi (Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare) images
- File:Captain Price CoD4.jpg would go into :Category:John Price (Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare) images
- File:Mi-24 MW.jpg would go into :Category:Mi-24 Hind (Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare) images
- File:Massey.jpg would go into :Category:Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare minor characters images see note 4
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- File:Nobodycares.jpg would go into Category:Personal images
Notes:
- Be sensible when it comes to doing this. Just because an M16A4 might appear somewhere in an image does not mean it should be categorised as an image of an M16A4. Only categorise based on the focus of an image.
- Don't just adhere to the chart's categories. The chart is there to show the structure of the categories and to have some examples. Things like images of multiplayer factions could go in their own categories too, like "Category:Marine Raiders images".
- Some images like File:Nuketown_2025_Poster.jpg may be difficult to categorise. If you're not sure of what to categorise an image as, simply leave it.
- Some things might not have enough images to warrant individual categories, and instead have enough images to warrant a group category. This is especially the case with minor characters as shown in the example above. Use your own discretion with this. Don't make categories with only one or two images.
This is a very long and time-consuming project but it will benefit the wiki a lot as file organisation is important - these categories will allow us to organise files farther, and if done in the style of the chart, will be done properly.
Signed, , Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png, http://i.imgur.com/vm7BQ.png 21:45, July 2, 2012 (UTC)
Further discussion/questions[]
The categories fit just right. "Category:Personal images" seems too general though, but I don't think there's any other way besides doing something like "Category:DarkMetroid567 Personal images" which doesn't sound like a very good idea. DarkMetroid567okay 21:50, July 2, 2012 (UTC)
We need a place to put images that are hard to categorize, so we dont loose them in the massive ammount of files we have. Perhaps a section below? 22:04, July 2, 2012 (UTC)
Wanted photos extension[]
Hi all, I am proposing yet another extension to this project. While I already have done extensive work on this by myself, Special:Wantedfiles is the most neglected Special:Wanted page, and one user simply can't handle hundreds of redlinks by him/herself. Therefore, I am proposing for some users to shift some attention to this. Thoughts? PierogiTalk 01:50, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
Fully support this idea, anything to clear redlinks/wanted pages. This would lead to a reduction in the amount of deadlinked images which can only help. 01:52, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
When I get my new computer I'll get my bot to do some work. And I'll help out also. http://i.imgur.com/vm7BQ.png 01:59, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
I'll setup a template if needed. Twig (Talk) 02:29, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
I had to think about it, but I realized this is actually a great idea. I'll do my best to help! Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png 06:13, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
More awards[]
Well, because there's so much to be done with this project, it would probably be best to have more than 1 award. For the 2011 general cleanup project, we had 2 awards, so we should at least have 2 awards for this one (a standard award and another one for those who went above and beyond the call of duty). But we could also have some other awards too, like those for users who contributed exceptionally to the renaming of images, and those who contributed exceptionally to categorisation etc.
Just a word of note - earlier I gave out some awards for this project. However this does not signify the end of the project. We still have a lot to do.
What do you think? 15:11, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
Sounds like a great idea. I love seeing users recognized for their work like this. Redskin-26 16:07, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
- Per Red. http://i.imgur.com/VwuEI.pngSXe Fiend · talkhttp://i.imgur.com/VwuEI.png16:11, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
- Per Red, and this is an amazing idea. Madnessfan34537 http://i.imgur.com/lL5xjBH.png 16:51, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
Agreed. Joe Copp 16:23, July 2, 2012 (UTC)
Per Red. PierogiTalk 17:23, July 2, 2012 (UTC)
So is this discussion over? The project and it's additions are all in full swing and the forum has remained mainly inactive for a long while. There seems to be nothing else to discuss. DarkMetroid567Talk 03:51, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
Request for closure - This thread really needs to be archived. Everything it wanted to implement should be implemented or in the process (It has been half a year!). Either way, this forum has been at the bottom of the War Room for a while now, so clearly it has fulfilled its purpose as a discussion area. 222 talk 10:59, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
- I don't have a problem with closing it now. The project is not finished (not necessarily will ever be since more and more images get uploaded every day) but its implementation is complete. It's hard to believe it's been 6 months already if you ask me. 11:43, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
- As Cod4 has said, this project is still in effect. There are multiple more images that still need to be renamed, categorised and improved. Perhaps if you were helping with this project you'd know this. 12:39, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Sam, perhaps you missed "in the process". Please read properly before implying I have less of a right to request closure because I am not personally involved in a project. 222 talk 01:21, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
- And I said the project is still "in effect", so the forum stays open, not that you had less of a right. And in response to you claiming you are not personaly involved, you have little to no edits in the file space helping us achieve this goal. 01:35, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
- To add on, you're basing this purely on timescale, yet many of the users involved are still doing many of the main parts of this forum, such as renaming images on pages and categorising personal images. 01:43, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
- I fail to see how "claiming" I am not personally involved is contradicted by the fact that I have no edits in the filespace. Again, I fail to see how the fact I am not involved, and have little edits in the File: namespace dilutes my position that the thread has fulfilled its purpose as a discussion area. I'm sure that we have had numerous forums on counter-vandalism, should we keep those open as well? Since we are constantly reverting vandalism throughout the wiki. My position is that threads are for discussing and finding consensus for/against projects, and getting them off the ground. This thread has clearly achieved both goals. I see no reason why you have the need to attack my inactivity in the File: namespace and my lack of involvement in this particular project, both which have nothing to do with this request for closure (but are obviously true of course) and seems more like an ad hominem argument to oppose my request. 222 talk 02:00, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
- Sam, perhaps you missed "in the process". Please read properly before implying I have less of a right to request closure because I am not personally involved in a project. 222 talk 01:21, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes it is not over yet, but just taking a peak at recent uploads, the overall flow is that images are being licenced correctly and most of the older images are named and licenced correctly. I say we close it, we can always just slap another one here need be. Reznov115Talk
- As Cod4 has said, this project is still in effect. There are multiple more images that still need to be renamed, categorised and improved. Perhaps if you were helping with this project you'd know this. 12:39, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
(Reset indent) As I've tried to do once, I think forum should be closed. It's pretty dead, and there is not really much more to discuss that we should do here instead of starting another forum (such as "Forum:Category project (?)"). Just because the project is ongoing doesn't mean this forum should stay open. --MLGisNot4Me talk 11:19, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
- hasn't even been on this once and actually going to agree on closing it, scumbag batman I haven't been on the forum once but I have been monitoring it, it seems dead and should be closed. --Bats a.k.a Rarity Filly 13:02, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
Closed - Dead. May be re-opened in a new forum later on. Joe Copp 00:48, October 26, 2012 (UTC)
New issue[]
I'd like to raise an issue we currently have. Please make sure that icons are being correctly differentiated. This is incredibly important, esspecially in the case of some images, such as Danger Close images, as Danger Close is a multitude of different things, 2 achievement images, a perk and a wildcard, however the achievement image is simply called "Danger Close MW2". We need to ensure we're being as specific as possible here, as such we need to ensure we're including "Perk icon", "Wildcard icon" or "Achievement icon". Also while PS3 calls them "Trophies" I feel it is easier to call them "Achievement icons" as the act of doing them is an achievement rather than the reward of a trophy.
11:43, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
Closed - Everything has been sorted out, and any new image related problems can be brought up in a new forum. Keeping this in the War Room just makes it look clogged. http://i.imgur.com/KUDLq.png 22:10, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
- It's an on-going project, any issues about will be brought up in this one, not a new forum. 17:27, January 3, 2013 (UTC)